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Post by JoeStag on Jun 12, 2020 17:47:55 GMT -5
Their Statement and a Video that reads that message. The team seems to be united.
Link to Video:
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Post by discobuck on Jun 12, 2020 19:24:44 GMT -5
This statement should have ended after the first sentence. Period.
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Post by stag79 on Jun 12, 2020 21:21:45 GMT -5
This statement should have ended after the first sentence. Period. Change will happen—Jay Young
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Post by bridgeport on Jun 13, 2020 8:59:23 GMT -5
if you root for this team, you should be proud of this team.
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Post by nashvillestag on Jun 13, 2020 10:58:35 GMT -5
if you root for this team, you should be proud of this team. Agree. Well stated!
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Post by discobuck on Jun 14, 2020 16:16:31 GMT -5
if you root for this team, you should be proud of this team. Is that right? Proud how? Proud of how they perform and conduct themselves on the court? Sure. If they give me reason to be. That’s what I root for. Proud of their politics? That’s a whole different thing. I do not root for them to make political statements, and I am certainly not proud that they endorse Black Lives Matter. In fact, as representatives of a Catholic university, they ought not endorse this radical organization that promotes hatred and violence.
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Post by discobuck on Jun 14, 2020 16:36:09 GMT -5
I’ll be proud when I see that the coach and team go out into the Bridgeport schools to work with the kids. That’s how you make “change”. You don’t make change by making politically correct statements. That’s all we see these days. Talk is cheap!
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Post by bumstag on Jun 14, 2020 17:33:54 GMT -5
Black Lives Matter is not a radical organization promoting hatred and violence. It is a group that is trying to promote justice and fight racism.
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Post by reindeerfan on Jun 15, 2020 10:29:07 GMT -5
Black Lives Matter is not a radical organization promoting hatred and violence. It is a group that is trying to promote justice and fight racism. From their website, here are their stated objectives: Racial Injustice Police Brutality Criminal Justice Reform Black Immigration Economic Injustice LGBTQIA+ and Human Rights Environmental Conditions Voting Rights & Suppression Healthcare Government Corruption Education Commonsense Gun Laws I certainly support efforts to end racial injustice and police brutality. But I can't endorse everything this organization stands for. My view is they would be better served to limit their focus to the top 2 issues which are pretty much universally supported.
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Post by 1968stags on Jun 15, 2020 15:22:20 GMT -5
Rdfan,the list you quoted looks reasonable to me. Curious minds want to know, which one or ones do you have a problem with?
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Post by terpstag on Jun 15, 2020 16:14:33 GMT -5
Lord knows the police in Baltimore had lots of problems but homicides that had been up over 300 per year since the crack epidemic had been brought down to a consistent figure in the low 200+ range. Now after the death of Freddie Gray the city went full Black Lives matter. Politicians scapegoated the entire force. The States Attorney overcharged every cop involved. Lost every case when a black judge granted the defense motion to dismiss. Cops stopped being aggressive. Longtime cops quit. Various reforms restricting police were instituted. Now all of this probably saved a few lives from police action, but since that time in 2015 homicides are back over 340/yr. Was this a good trade off? Save a few but lose an extra hundred every year? It's easy to say that BLM has impeccable motives and people that don't support it vocally are evil (silence is violence) but this issue is really complicated and doesn't lend itself to bumper sticker bromides. Because of this complexity I don't think it's a good message board topic. Finally as someone who worked for Legal Aid in Baltimore and whose wife (FU'77) was a public health physician in Baltimore, we have seen these complex problems first hand and can do without the BBall team and the administration sending us virtue signaling emails.
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Post by stag79 on Jun 15, 2020 16:42:29 GMT -5
^Well you seemed to have deemed it an appropriate topic by the length and detail of your response. Our basketball team has the right and obligation to comment on the state of this country. Let’s be clear. Being born Black in the United States is profoundly different than being white. And frankly from nearly 250 years of slavery, to Jim Crow, to lynchings by the thousands, to red lining to restrict neighborhood access, to segregation, Emmett Till, and police violence only in the last decade caught on cell phones, Black lives have not always mattered. It’s not asking a lot.
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Post by sunshinestag on Jun 15, 2020 16:50:57 GMT -5
This is a statement by a recognized student-athlete organization. It is funded by the school and represents the school every time they put on the uniform. As such, it should be part of this forum.
Putting personal feelings aside, how is it in contravention of what the school stands for?
The Jesuit Mission is clearly set forth as follows:
Our Mission To work for reconciliation every day — with God, with human beings and with the environment
For over 450 years Jesuit priests and brothers have lived an amazing story of serving the Church in new and unexpected ways. We are still men on the move, ready to change place, occupation, method — whatever will advance our mission to put reconciliation into practice each day — with God, with human beings and with the environment. We are expected to do anything or go anywhere to help people experience Jesus Christ in their daily lives.
Today that “we” has expanded to include men and women who share this vision of service to faith and to the justice that faith demands. Together Jesuits and lay partners place ourselves in the presence of the God who created all people and ask ourselves the questions that St. Ignatius suggested to his first companions: What have I done for Christ? What am I doing for Christ? What will I do for Christ?
If you aren't buying what the Jebbies are selling, then how about going back to the Golden Rule: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself?
Pretty simple to me.
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Post by reindeerfan on Jun 15, 2020 20:21:43 GMT -5
Rdfan,the list you quoted looks reasonable to me. Curious minds want to know, which one or ones do you have a problem with? Well, again we are venturing away from basketball, so I will respectfully answer your question and propose that we take it offline after that. The headings of some of these things might sound fine but the position the organization takes to support these goals may not be. So for example if I were the head of Nuns still matter, and I advocated the following: Elimination of nun beatings.It would be hard to disagree with that. But if my proposed solution to end nun beatings were to ban the catholic church, imprison nuns, shoot nuns in the head, ban nuns from wearing habits, etc. etc. we might not all agree on the proposed solution. And this is the issue some people have with this organization going beyond ending racial injustice and police brutality. So while in general terms I am for criminal justice reform, if reform means releasing violent felons who have not served much time back into the community, that is not reform I would support. While Black immigration sounds great, if it means opening our borders to a number of immigrants we can't economically support I might not be in favor of that. Frankly, when I see the number of good jobs going to foreign nationals from any country over US citizens, I can't help but think we may need less immigration not more. I am for economic justice but if economic justice means a Vietnamese immigrant who never owned a slave needs to pay reparations to the great grandchild of a slave, I may not be in favor of that. If economic justice means we need to change from a market system to a socialist system, I might not be in favor of that. If common sense gun laws means people lose their constitutional rights to protect their businesses and property, I might not be in favor of that. So conceptually yea, I am opposed to nun beating.......
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Post by discobuck on Jun 15, 2020 23:48:48 GMT -5
Black Lives Matter is not a radical organization promoting hatred and violence. It is a group that is trying to promote justice and fight racism. Not radical? Doesn’t promote hatred and violence? Here’s just some of what BLM advocates: Defunding (eliminating) law enforcement Legalization of prostitution Destruction of the nuclear family Reparations for all black people (not limited to the descendants of slaves) As to promotion of violence and hatred, they chant “Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon”. They advocate the killing of police This is the organization endorsed by the FU basketball team. And, presumably, the University No, these are not Catholic values, maybe not even Jesuit values. And I find it amusing that some of the posters here that are virtue signaling their support for BLM and apparently claim to be sensitive to racial injustice and urban issues are the same guys that mercilessly trashed the City Of Bridgeport and complained that they were afraid to come into the downtown, and that the area is too depressed for their high standards I remember a post complaining that the University had no business or duty to play games in Bridgeport in order to help promote the local economy. Talk is cheap. I know that the University does some good outreach in urban areas. As to you guys who have bashed the local urban community, but all of a sudden have become “woke” on racial injustice, try actually doing something positive to help inner city kids. You chose to live in Fairfield and other lily white towns because you want to e with people that look and act just like you. Go into your local urban area and do something positive
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