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Post by ctghostman on Apr 30, 2015 22:47:10 GMT -5
Clavier07 - #19 in the COUNTRY. Our lacrosse guys are competing at the highest level of the sport. Much different than the b-ball situation. Give them the credit that is due. #19 in Lax is probably equivalent to around 100 in Hoops - the bottom of the top third. |
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Post by stagz on May 1, 2015 5:34:17 GMT -5
#100 would be a dream for our hoops program right now.
BUT, you can't simply say there are 300+ D1 basketball teams and 60+ D1 lacrosse teams, so #19 in lacrosse is #100 in basketball or #5 is #25 in basketball.
There is an element of the 2nd derivative here or convexity. When you compete at the top level of anything (lacrosse in this instance), how good a team is is increasing at an increasing rate (but not necessarily proportionally to current value). To put it another way, Fairfield is competing at an exponentially higher level.
So, taking this notion into account, I can just as easily say that Fairfield at #19 in lacrosse would be in the top 25 in basketball.
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Post by FU73 on May 1, 2015 5:46:11 GMT -5
There are 69 NCAA Division 1 Men's Lacrosse programs. The #19 Stags were ranked #2 in Scoring Defense but #40 in Scoring Offense. No matter how you spin it, the Stags not making it to the 2015 CAA Championship game this year by losing the semifinal game at home in the new Rafferty Stadium after starting with a 2-0 lead is very disappointing. Last year the #14 Stags lost the 2014 ECAC Championship game to Air Force. Close but no cigar is NOT good enough, especially with the emphasis and investment the University is making with Stag Men's Lacrosse. Video recap:www.fairfieldstags.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?id=4011593 |
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Post by stagz on May 1, 2015 5:53:42 GMT -5
Fu73 - completely agree. Painfully disappointing.
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Post by JoeStag on May 1, 2015 7:42:50 GMT -5
#100 would be a dream for our hoops program right now. BUT, you can't simply say there are 300+ D1 basketball teams and 60+ D1 lacrosse teams, so #19 in lacrosse is #100 in basketball or #5 is #25 in basketball. There is an element of the 2nd derivative here or convexity. When you compete at the top level of anything (lacrosse in this instance), how good a team is is increasing at an increasing rate (but not necessarily proportionally to current value). To put it another way, Fairfield is competing at an exponentially higher level. So, taking this notion into account, I can just as easily say that Fairfield at #19 in lacrosse would be in the top 25 in basketball. z, good stuff. While I have forgot most of what I learned in Real Analysis, I don't think looking at the 2nd Derivative is showing as a positive for our Men's Lacrosse team...... As our rate of change to the 1st Derivative has basically stayed the same or has gone negative. This could get worse as the larger schools like Michigan, UCONN, and Marquette will become powerhouses, putting us farther down the food chain. I think your basic assumption that we are competing at an exponetially higher level might be too optimistic. We are not considered as a program that would get an At-large Bid. If we were, I might agree with you. But this is a tenuous time for the Lax Program. Losing in the Semi's of the Tourney is a major disapointment, almost as bad as Cooley losing in the early rounds of 2 MAAC tourney's at the WBA. |
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Post by stags74 on May 1, 2015 15:40:12 GMT -5
i saw all of the home lax games this season and yes I agree losing in the first round at your new stadium was a big let down. I believe we lost five games by only one goal this season. Coach copelands team suffers form the same issue that the mens hoop team has suffered from during the last two seasons. They are very inconsistent on offense and go thru periods of time when they just do not score, just like a syd Johnson coached team. Andy is known as a conservative coach always looking for the best shot. I think he was to conservative because he has a solid defense that keeps the opponent scoring down. So shoot away and put pressure on the other teams goalie and defense.
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Post by Stagophile on May 2, 2015 11:13:29 GMT -5
I agree stags74. Solid defense has been the signature trademark of Coach Copelan's teams and this year's defense was one of the best. He now needs to rethink his offensive philosophy though as I believe the focus on the high percentage shot impacted the offensive flow and caused the offensive droughts. Similar to SJ, Cope can't orchestrate everything. At some point he needs to trust his offensive talent and he had a lot of it this year. Last year we were cheated out of an NCAA appearance by favoritism on the selection committee. This year we did it to ourselves. I can't believe it has been a decade since we last went to the NCAA tournament. The great 2003 and 2005 teams seem like a distant memory now.
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Post by FU73 on May 2, 2015 15:04:14 GMT -5
Misogynist Warning:
Fairfield (13-4; 7-1 MAAC) vs. Canisius (13-5; 8-0 MAAC)
If Women's Lacrosse beats Canisius tomorrow (Sunday at Noon on ESPN3) in Buffalo those Stags are going to the NCAA Lacrosse Tournament with the MAAC's bid.
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Post by FU73 on May 3, 2015 6:21:05 GMT -5
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Post by JoeStag on May 3, 2015 8:01:57 GMT -5
Where were all those LAX fans in Fairfield County. With 2 teams playing for an NCAA Bid, one would think that there would be more interest. While Lax is a growing sport, it is still just a Niche sport. In Reality it will not be Big Time until UCONN gets involved. |
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Post by ctghostman on May 3, 2015 9:00:10 GMT -5
Despite FU not in the finals, 352 is a disgrace - FU didn't market this (or i'm not aware of any efforts). Minimal cost emails to every lax club & team in the area gets 1200-1500 - Nice day/Nice facility/Good competition. Rafferty/FU spent a lot of money on the stadium, FU needs the right people to market it and get a return on it.
We've hired various marketers over the years for men's hoops - they haven't got it done. But, at some point, it's not the marketers - it's the people in charge of them.
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Post by FU73 on May 3, 2015 9:15:03 GMT -5
Having the Stags not make it out of the semifinal round and into the CAA Championship game was a lost opportunity to create a buzz in the local lax community. While Towson (Baltimore) and UMass (Amherst) are not local schools you would think that even with the Stags not playing on Saturday that more than 10% of Rafferty Stadium could have been filled. Giving the tickets away to every area lacrosse team would have been an option but all season the University charged full prices for students and children. Time to re-think the ticket prices, marketing and promotion of Stag Lacrosse and Rafferty Stadium. Hopefully, "Build it and they will come" was not the plan because clearly that didn't work on Saturday.
CAA Championship Attendance at Rafferty Stadium
Semifinal Round:
Towson vs. Drexel - 262
Stags vs. UMass - 665
Championship Game:
Towson vs. UMass - 352
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Post by vastagman on May 3, 2015 9:58:22 GMT -5
Despite FU not in the finals, 352 is a disgrace - FU didn't market this (or i'm not aware of any efforts). Minimal cost emails to every lax club & team in the area gets 1200-1500 - Nice day/Nice facility/Good competition. Rafferty/FU spent a lot of money on the stadium, FU needs the right people to market it and get a return on it. We've hired various marketers over the years for men's hoops - they haven't got it done. But, at some point, it's not the marketers - it's the people in charge of them. It is not Fairfield's job to market the CAA championship. It is the CAA's job to market it. |
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Post by ctghostman on May 3, 2015 10:42:35 GMT -5
It's our job if we want to build the brand.
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Post by nashvillestag on May 3, 2015 16:15:10 GMT -5
Misogynist Warning: Fairfield (13-4; 7-1 MAAC) vs. Canisius (13-5; 8-0 MAAC)If Women's Lacrosse beats Canisius tomorrow (Sunday at Noon on ESPN3) in Buffalo those Stags are going to the NCAA Lacrosse Tournament with the MAAC's bid. Misogynist Nightmare-Stags win the MAAC and are going to the NCAA Tournament! All others, feel free to rejoice. BTW, congratulations for a job well done! |
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