Creighton 91-88 in Double OT. Larson had a great game for SD with 25 pts. Makes our win over them look even better.
Both Larsen and Boz are very good Offensive players averaging 16-17ppg. Both are guards, and at times, when they play very well together, they can go on a run.. We saw that in all 3 games at WBA. To pull of those upsets, having a pair of Explosive guards is one of the requirements .
Loyola MD only scored 42 points last night in their 68-42 loss at St. Joe's (Greyhounds only scored 18 in the 2nd half). Loyola currently ranks 342nd out of 351 D1 schools by averaging 55.3 ppg. We are 306th with 60.3 ppg according to the espn.com Fairfield clubhouse page.
Loyola MD only scored 42 points last night in their 68-42 loss at St. Joe's (Greyhounds only scored 18 in the 2nd half). Loyola currently ranks 342nd out of 351 D1 schools by averaging 55.3 ppg. We are 306th with 60.3 ppg according to the espn.com Fairfield clubhouse page.
Or maybe Loyola screwed themselves. Fairfield should look at Loyola as a test case for the Patriot League. Maybe that move was never right for FU.
We've had this debate many times on this board, but Loyola is in no worse shape than FU was last year: no shot at the dance in a 1 bid conference.
Take a breath and think about it as I know I am in the minority on this board. But, put this in the context of benefit to the University as a whole and not about the quality of the basketball you are watching.
1. Each conference is D1 and gets a shot at the NCAA, NIT, and all the crappy C tournaments. 2. Think about the cost of recruiting and playing in the MAAC vs. Patriot (Salaries, recruiting, cost of the WBA, Marketing,etc.) 3. The company you keep: Holy Cross, Colgate, Bucknell vs. Rider, St. Peters, Canisius 4. Impact on overall student perception and recruiting: MAAC buys you nothing, and Patriot actually elevates your "academic" perception.
Jimmy Patsos left the Patriot for the MAAC because it was better place for him to leverage his next job. Loyola joined the Patriot because it was perfect for them to leverage the quality their university.
Yes, you will not be in as high a quality basketball conference, but in terms of overall benefit to the University (which should after all be our goal) Loyola made an incredibly smart move!
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Or maybe Loyola screwed themselves. Fairfield should look at Loyola as a test case for the Patriot League. Maybe that move was never right for FU.
We've had this debate many times on this board, but Loyola is in no worse shape than FU was last year: no shot at the dance in a 1 bid conference.
Take a breath and think about it as I know I am in the minority on this board. But, put this in the context of benefit to the University as a whole and not about the quality of the basketball you are watching.
1. Each conference is D1 and gets a shot at the NCAA, NIT, and all the crappy C tournaments. 2. Think about the cost of recruiting and playing in the MAAC vs. Patriot (Salaries, recruiting, cost of the WBA, Marketing,etc.) 3. The company you keep: Holy Cross, Colgate, Bucknell vs. Rider, St. Peters, Canisius 4. Impact on overall student perception and recruiting: MAAC buys you nothing, and Patriot actually elevates your "academic" perception.
Jimmy Patsos left the Patriot for the MAAC because it was better place for him to leverage his next job. Loyola joined the Patriot because it was perfect for them to leverage the quality their university.
Yes, you will not be in as high a quality basketball conference, but in terms of overall benefit to the University (which should after all be our goal) Loyola made an incredibly smart move!
We have been through this many times and a move to the Patriot League reduces exposure, reduces Alumni outreach, therefore limiting the ability to fundraise, and sentences the sports programs to life in a bottom tier league. The move, if there is one, and I pray there is, MUST be to the CAA. Better schools than the MAAC, incredible market visibility with Boston, Long Island, Philly, Baltimore, Washington/Virginia, Triad area of NC, Wilmington, NC , and Charleston SC. Take your pick; major markets, superior fundraising opportunities, unlimited University exposure, or Lewisburg, PA and Hamilton, NY. Good luck with that.
We have been through this many times and a move to the Patriot League reduces exposure, reduces Alumni outreach, therefore limiting the ability to fundraise, and sentences the sports programs to life in a bottom tier league. The move, if there is one, and I pray there is, MUST be to the CAA. Better schools than the MAAC, incredible market visibility with Boston, Long Island, Philly, Baltimore, Washington/Virginia, Triad area of NC, Wilmington, NC , and Charleston SC. Take your pick; major markets, superior fundraising opportunities, unlimited University exposure, or Lewisburg, PA and Hamilton, NY. Good luck with that.
I'n still for joining the Sobro conference whenever he is able to put that together. Seriously the kind of conference Sobro outlined a few years ago makes so much sense that you know it will never happen. That would be a better alternative to the patriot or Maac. I think the main reason Fairfield hasn't left the Maac is an alternative has not come along that is sufficently better to merit a change.
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Or maybe Loyola screwed themselves. Fairfield should look at Loyola as a test case for the Patriot League. Maybe that move was never right for FU.
We've had this debate many times on this board, but Loyola is in no worse shape than FU was last year: no shot at the dance in a 1 bid conference.
Take a breath and think about it as I know I am in the minority on this board. But, put this in the context of benefit to the University as a whole and not about the quality of the basketball you are watching.
1. Each conference is D1 and gets a shot at the NCAA, NIT, and all the crappy C tournaments. 2. Think about the cost of recruiting and playing in the MAAC vs. Patriot (Salaries, recruiting, cost of the WBA, Marketing,etc.) 3. The company you keep: Holy Cross, Colgate, Bucknell vs. Rider, St. Peters, Canisius 4. Impact on overall student perception and recruiting: MAAC buys you nothing, and Patriot actually elevates your "academic" perception.
Jimmy Patsos left the Patriot for the MAAC because it was better place for him to leverage his next job. Loyola joined the Patriot because it was perfect for them to leverage the quality their university.
Yes, you will not be in as high a quality basketball conference, but in terms of overall benefit to the University (which should after all be our goal) Loyola made an incredibly smart move!
I agree 100% with this assessment. However, the CAA argument is compelling, and I'd certainly rate it above the MAAC. It also seems the most likely with the door Lacrosse has opened.
That said, it's easy for sobro to make the PL look like a poor outlet to reach alumni for fundraising when he picks the two rural schools in the conference. Moving to the PL would give us a school in Boston, just like the CAA, and we'd have the DC/Balt. area to play as well. Additionally, we would become the NYC metro school of the conference which would certainly come with its own benefits.
The bottom line is no matter how much we discuss this subject here, it is just for fun. It's good banter. What's encouraging is that everyone seems to agree hopefully a move will someday be in the works, and that it's okay we stay in the MAAC and be patient for now until something better is there.
Last, I'm curious what "sobro's conference" looks like. I wasn't on the board years ago. Thanks, have a good day everyone.
Grandpa, there were a few incarnations of the "Sobro" conference, and they were before many of the conference shifts. One I recall was a 12 team league with Fairfield, Holy Cross, BU, Northeastern, Siena, and Marist in the North and Hofstra, Fordham, Manhattan, Iona, Drexel, and LaSalle, in the South. The idea was a Boston/Albany/NY/Philly League. IMO, the CAA is going to add two teams within the next year or two. The Lacrosse is already there, so one would hope Fairfield would get an invite. The interesting question is, if invited, who would be the second school. As far as Northern schools I've heard Albany, Stony Brook,(Hofstra is reportedly blocking Stony Brook) and even some rumblings, believe it or not, about Holy Cross. Would ALL Fairfield fans be happy with that? I think so. A two division, North/South league with Fairfield, Holy Cross, Northeastern, Hofstra, Drexel, and Delaware on the North and Towson, JMU, William and Mary, Elon, UNCW, and College of Charleston in the South. 5 home and homes in division, 2 home and homes out of division, 2 home only and 2 road only out of division. 18 games. Your home conference schedule could be Holy Cross, Northeastern, Hofstra, Drexel, Delaware, JMU, William and Mary, Elon, and Towson. Travel wouldn't be bad as long trips would be coupled, even those in division. Drexel and Delaware could be paired in division, William and Mary and JMU, UNCW and College of Charleston, out of division. Would love to see it for so many reasons. Just hope the recent basketball "dip" didn't hurt Fairfield's chances.
MAAC hoping for a 3-3 day today..... they are 1-2 midway thru:
Iona beat Indiana State by 7 - in a nice up conf win. Iona still clear #1 in MAAC Canisius lost to UMASS by 17 - Canisius playing better than expected... same could said for the Stags VMI beat Marist by 17 - Marist's top 3 players are still injured. Once Lewis and Hart are back, that gives them 2 ALL-MAAC performers
Davidson leading Niagara by 40-22 - Niagara got some talent, but inexperienced Rider leading Hartford 35- 30 - Rider better than expected with 4 experienced guards getting the ball into their Big guys Albany leading Siena 18-13 - Inconsistent Siena missing the hurt Bispring
Albany beats Siena. MAAC goes 2-4. They must be going crazy in Sienaland, I bet the fire Jimmy talk is starting.
Also interesting note, Texas state played Texas today. Scored 9 pts on first have and 18 in the second for a total of 27. Good to know we arent the only ones who cant score.
Patsos's biggest strength was that he was able to get transfers to come to Loyola that were former HS stars in Baltimore... they came from Maryland, Notre Dame, Providence and others.... The question is if he can be successull in Albany.
Siena is underachieving because Bispring. He is injured now, but before that I thought he was sick. With Bispring, they are still only grouped with the other Mid-Pack MAAC schools